Gotham's Whole
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runespoorI don’t remember exactly in which order we came up with all of this, and I know for certain there’s things I’ve forgotten. ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
etrangere, please fill in the blanks or hit me with the “NOT WHAT WE SAID” stick. Everyone is welcome to give their input.
The setting: Jackson’s Whole. Quotingetrangere: “Hub City on the scale of a planet”. We figured it was the closest thing to Gotham.
Bruce: Thomas and Martha Wayne were trying to do Good and move their operation from a small space station, because one fine night Thomas, Martha, and their eight-year-old son were all shot to death. Now, I’d first assumed Bruce would be a clone of the original Bruce, as every-day-is-let’s-torture-Bruce-day, but thinking back maybe he was just revived. Haha, “just”. Whatever the work, it was done by Alfred and Leslie, and goes a long way to explain what’s Bruce’s damage on Jackson’s Whole. The Mission does include getting rid of ALL THE HOUSES.
He goes and be Batman, the fool. Complete with the Batman rule. As there’s no law system on Jackson’s Whole, and even less prisons or mental facilities, he catches them and sends them to his own private containment center. Ladies and gents, Bruce really is responsible for Arkham in this verse. Arkham is a small space station, btw.
I know we’d thought up something about Beta, but the devil if I remember what right now.
Boy Robins: clones. Boy Robins all look alike. Clones of Bruce. (I mourn the loss of Talia, of Tim’s parents backstory, of Dick and Damian – and Jason – not being white, and of the fateful meeting between Bruce and Jason. *mourns* but it’s something that gets thrown around as a joke too much not to take advantage of it.)
We’re not sure what Alfred and Leslie are thinking, beyond “Bruce needs a Robin/friend” and wariness at the thought of Bruce breaking down for real. (They have to keep providing him withplaymates tiny terrorists for justice Robins. If left to his own devices, he brings back terrifyingly idealistic assassin-trained waifs and blonde girls with a tendency to solve problems through punches, bricks to the head, and scary emotional hunting. “They followed me home. Can I keep them?”)
- Dick: does a lot of off-planet missions with his team the Outsiders. Technically he obeys Bruce’s orders, in practice it goes the way of the dodo more often than not. Not that Bruce is too angry about it. Dick always gets the best possible results. But still, with the Outsiders in this verse Dick definitely has the authority of Batman above him.
- Jason: don’t know the details, but the falling out still happens, of course. As does Jason’s decision to just kill the bastards.
- Tim: at one point or another, is shipped off planet. Maybe for a mission, maybe after a disagreement with Bruce that had him resigning his Robin role. He sees other things, other worlds. He comes back at one point. It’s during he’s not there that Steph becomes Robin.
- Damian: …we did no thinking whatsoever about the little tyke, but if we cling closer to the canon he could be a Bruce clone stolen/developed/raised. Maybe at the same time as Talia was doing her repairs on Jason. [I know we’d involved the Duronas at some place in the timeline. I can’t remember when. I’m also thinking this could be a good other place. I like the Duronas. They’re ambiguously creepy. Imho.] I’m not sure if I don’t want to stray further apart, though. It seems unfair that Damian keeps his backstory while the others don’t.
Cass: gengineered on Jackson’s Whole, she was taken away from it by her father to get to work. She drifts back there, David Cain’s plan not going any better than in canon.
Steph: Arthur Brown was a bit player for one of the Houses. He got sent on off-planet missions, one of which went badly and he was caught, one assumes, by someone more lawful-minded than Jackson’s Whole. And as whatever he was doing was either 1)not that vital, 2)not that easy to explain away, or 3)a distraction from something else, no-one went out of their way to get him back, including his employer. Who might have been Penguin. Then he escaped (maybe with Riddler help). Crystal Brown was a junkie.
I’m thinking Steph might have been involved in crime-fighting before Arthur even came back into the picture, here. Unlike in Gotham, there’s no law on Jackson’s Whole. She might well have been angry about the system and determined to do something about it before Arthur came back.
Babs: the main player of this verse. Barbara’s parents immigrated to Jackson’s Whole when she was a girl, and of course were swiftly dead. The details don’t matter much. What is certain is that Barbara found herself alone on the planet, with no benevolent uncle to care for her. Barbara Gordon would not let herself be devoured.
She heard of Batman, and maybe she believed in his goal, or maybe she was just infiltrating his organization, or maybe a little bit of both. At the very least, it let her fuck things up for the Houses, which in her plan to not let herself be devoured, was a very good thing indeed. Power vacuums are wonderful things for wilful, ambitious people. (It’s assumed Bruce knew who she was, then. He is Batman.) Of course, she was injured – left for dead, I assume.
Then she remade herself as Oracle, whose goal is basically to take control of Jackson’s Whole, make it a clean, ordered structure of organization reporting back to her. She struck an uneasy alliance with Batman, having discovered who he was, or knowing it from her previous life as his ally.
And when we say “uneasy alliance”, we mean, “manipulate and exploit the hell out of his blind spots.” His goal is to get rid of All The Houses. Her goal is to be the House. Oh, and also she raises amused eyebrows at the Batman rule. She also creates an off-world team, the Birds of Prey. Barbara Gordon is a most busy woman.
Around that time, Lord Mark arrives on Jackson’s Whole.
In his luggage are Renée and Jim. (We started the whole Evil!Oracle idea on the basis that there was no Jim, but at this point the no-Jim was making me sad.) Renée is iirc a tough ex-mercenary who ran into Problems at her old job. (I feel it’s probably more accurate to say she ran her fist into someone’s nose.)
Babs, the all-seeing all-knowing, approaches Jim. Most of her happier childhood memories feature him. Meanwhile, Lord Mark strikes an alliance with Batman and tries to contact Oracle to see whether an understanding might be at all out of the question.
During that same time, Batman is seriously starting to get on Oracle’s nerves. Small-scale acts of random heroism are all well and good, but he’s fucking up with her schedule, there. Honestly, having him killed is at times a very tempting prospect. She doesn’t, because that would upset Dick. Babs may have a little crush on Dick. Tiny. Minuscule. The kind where she doesn’t kill Batman because Dick loves him. Bruce and Dick are eminently unaware of the fact that Bruce owes his life to Dick.
I don’t remember the painstakingly picked details, but it all works out. Up to and including Bruce and Jason reconciling, since Jason does some work for Mark and Bruce is an ally, and Babs being her tremendous Oracle self for the best.
Helena: daughter of a House whose entire family yadda yadda yadda.
Kate: daughter of some galactic military force, her mother and sister were killed in Jackson’s Whole. She followed in her father’s footsteps, and was fired from the military for refusing to obey a criminal order. She then came to Jackson’s Whole, and there, Batman.
I cannot remember what we said about the Batsignal, or even if we talked about it at all, but I imagine it as a rallying, forbidden symbol. Something more anti-authority than it is in canon, obviously.
Riddler: an ambiguous guy. Kind of like canon him. Steph being fucking scary at him totally happened. Maybe – and I’m making this up as I go along – maybe Riddler used to be a bad guy, and Steph heard that he used to be involved with her Dad, so after Arthur was killed she sought him out and threatened him in the best Stephanie Brown fashion, but in the meantime he’d gone over to the less-evil side, and in fact had contacts with Batman. He put her in contact with Batman, or told Batman about her, and that’s how Steph Brown became Robin.
Slade:ex-merc. Or did we say renegade Barrayaran, I can’t remember. ;_; it was scary and amazing, though. ETA: RENEGADE GHEM-LORD FROM CETAGANDA. When I said it was a brilliant idea.
Rose: still the daughter of the above, still with the crush on Dick and the joining of the heroes.
As we are us, this is very Gotham-centric. After bemoaning the lack of Titans, we came up – or rather,etrangere came up – with the idea that the Amazons are Betans herms. I think herm Cassie owes her existence to the fact we’d name-dropped Rose earlier on.
Other people that would fit amazingly but that we didn’t slot into place at the time: Harvey. Probably Selina. We’re aware this place sucks for aliens, and in particular I’m feeling bad about Kory, especially since if I want to involve her she must arrive before the Outsiders exist, so as not to break up my beautiful OTP of Babs/Dick. The Arrowfamily, of course. Dinah is a Bird, and Mia lives – or grew up at least – on Jackson’s Whole, but I don’t know about the others or how to involve them.
In conclusion: to make the Batfamily looks healthy, put it on Jackson’s Whole.
etrangere, please fill in the blanks or hit me with the “NOT WHAT WE SAID” stick. Everyone is welcome to give their input.The setting: Jackson’s Whole. Quoting
etrangere: “Hub City on the scale of a planet”. We figured it was the closest thing to Gotham. Bruce: Thomas and Martha Wayne were trying to do Good and move their operation from a small space station, because one fine night Thomas, Martha, and their eight-year-old son were all shot to death. Now, I’d first assumed Bruce would be a clone of the original Bruce, as every-day-is-let’s-torture-Bruce-day, but thinking back maybe he was just revived. Haha, “just”. Whatever the work, it was done by Alfred and Leslie, and goes a long way to explain what’s Bruce’s damage on Jackson’s Whole. The Mission does include getting rid of ALL THE HOUSES.
He goes and be Batman, the fool. Complete with the Batman rule. As there’s no law system on Jackson’s Whole, and even less prisons or mental facilities, he catches them and sends them to his own private containment center. Ladies and gents, Bruce really is responsible for Arkham in this verse. Arkham is a small space station, btw.
I know we’d thought up something about Beta, but the devil if I remember what right now.
Boy Robins: clones. Boy Robins all look alike. Clones of Bruce. (I mourn the loss of Talia, of Tim’s parents backstory, of Dick and Damian – and Jason – not being white, and of the fateful meeting between Bruce and Jason. *mourns* but it’s something that gets thrown around as a joke too much not to take advantage of it.)
We’re not sure what Alfred and Leslie are thinking, beyond “Bruce needs a Robin/friend” and wariness at the thought of Bruce breaking down for real. (They have to keep providing him with
- Dick: does a lot of off-planet missions with his team the Outsiders. Technically he obeys Bruce’s orders, in practice it goes the way of the dodo more often than not. Not that Bruce is too angry about it. Dick always gets the best possible results. But still, with the Outsiders in this verse Dick definitely has the authority of Batman above him.
- Jason: don’t know the details, but the falling out still happens, of course. As does Jason’s decision to just kill the bastards.
- Tim: at one point or another, is shipped off planet. Maybe for a mission, maybe after a disagreement with Bruce that had him resigning his Robin role. He sees other things, other worlds. He comes back at one point. It’s during he’s not there that Steph becomes Robin.
- Damian: …we did no thinking whatsoever about the little tyke, but if we cling closer to the canon he could be a Bruce clone stolen/developed/raised. Maybe at the same time as Talia was doing her repairs on Jason. [I know we’d involved the Duronas at some place in the timeline. I can’t remember when. I’m also thinking this could be a good other place. I like the Duronas. They’re ambiguously creepy. Imho.] I’m not sure if I don’t want to stray further apart, though. It seems unfair that Damian keeps his backstory while the others don’t.
Cass: gengineered on Jackson’s Whole, she was taken away from it by her father to get to work. She drifts back there, David Cain’s plan not going any better than in canon.
Steph: Arthur Brown was a bit player for one of the Houses. He got sent on off-planet missions, one of which went badly and he was caught, one assumes, by someone more lawful-minded than Jackson’s Whole. And as whatever he was doing was either 1)not that vital, 2)not that easy to explain away, or 3)a distraction from something else, no-one went out of their way to get him back, including his employer. Who might have been Penguin. Then he escaped (maybe with Riddler help). Crystal Brown was a junkie.
I’m thinking Steph might have been involved in crime-fighting before Arthur even came back into the picture, here. Unlike in Gotham, there’s no law on Jackson’s Whole. She might well have been angry about the system and determined to do something about it before Arthur came back.
Babs: the main player of this verse. Barbara’s parents immigrated to Jackson’s Whole when she was a girl, and of course were swiftly dead. The details don’t matter much. What is certain is that Barbara found herself alone on the planet, with no benevolent uncle to care for her. Barbara Gordon would not let herself be devoured.
She heard of Batman, and maybe she believed in his goal, or maybe she was just infiltrating his organization, or maybe a little bit of both. At the very least, it let her fuck things up for the Houses, which in her plan to not let herself be devoured, was a very good thing indeed. Power vacuums are wonderful things for wilful, ambitious people. (It’s assumed Bruce knew who she was, then. He is Batman.) Of course, she was injured – left for dead, I assume.
Then she remade herself as Oracle, whose goal is basically to take control of Jackson’s Whole, make it a clean, ordered structure of organization reporting back to her. She struck an uneasy alliance with Batman, having discovered who he was, or knowing it from her previous life as his ally.
And when we say “uneasy alliance”, we mean, “manipulate and exploit the hell out of his blind spots.” His goal is to get rid of All The Houses. Her goal is to be the House. Oh, and also she raises amused eyebrows at the Batman rule. She also creates an off-world team, the Birds of Prey. Barbara Gordon is a most busy woman.
Around that time, Lord Mark arrives on Jackson’s Whole.
In his luggage are Renée and Jim. (We started the whole Evil!Oracle idea on the basis that there was no Jim, but at this point the no-Jim was making me sad.) Renée is iirc a tough ex-mercenary who ran into Problems at her old job. (I feel it’s probably more accurate to say she ran her fist into someone’s nose.)
Babs, the all-seeing all-knowing, approaches Jim. Most of her happier childhood memories feature him. Meanwhile, Lord Mark strikes an alliance with Batman and tries to contact Oracle to see whether an understanding might be at all out of the question.
During that same time, Batman is seriously starting to get on Oracle’s nerves. Small-scale acts of random heroism are all well and good, but he’s fucking up with her schedule, there. Honestly, having him killed is at times a very tempting prospect. She doesn’t, because that would upset Dick. Babs may have a little crush on Dick. Tiny. Minuscule. The kind where she doesn’t kill Batman because Dick loves him. Bruce and Dick are eminently unaware of the fact that Bruce owes his life to Dick.
I don’t remember the painstakingly picked details, but it all works out. Up to and including Bruce and Jason reconciling, since Jason does some work for Mark and Bruce is an ally, and Babs being her tremendous Oracle self for the best.
Helena: daughter of a House whose entire family yadda yadda yadda.
Kate: daughter of some galactic military force, her mother and sister were killed in Jackson’s Whole. She followed in her father’s footsteps, and was fired from the military for refusing to obey a criminal order. She then came to Jackson’s Whole, and there, Batman.
I cannot remember what we said about the Batsignal, or even if we talked about it at all, but I imagine it as a rallying, forbidden symbol. Something more anti-authority than it is in canon, obviously.
Riddler: an ambiguous guy. Kind of like canon him. Steph being fucking scary at him totally happened. Maybe – and I’m making this up as I go along – maybe Riddler used to be a bad guy, and Steph heard that he used to be involved with her Dad, so after Arthur was killed she sought him out and threatened him in the best Stephanie Brown fashion, but in the meantime he’d gone over to the less-evil side, and in fact had contacts with Batman. He put her in contact with Batman, or told Batman about her, and that’s how Steph Brown became Robin.
Slade:
Rose: still the daughter of the above, still with the crush on Dick and the joining of the heroes.
As we are us, this is very Gotham-centric. After bemoaning the lack of Titans, we came up – or rather,
etrangere came up – with the idea that the Amazons are Betans herms. I think herm Cassie owes her existence to the fact we’d name-dropped Rose earlier on.Other people that would fit amazingly but that we didn’t slot into place at the time: Harvey. Probably Selina. We’re aware this place sucks for aliens, and in particular I’m feeling bad about Kory, especially since if I want to involve her she must arrive before the Outsiders exist, so as not to break up my beautiful OTP of Babs/Dick. The Arrowfamily, of course. Dinah is a Bird, and Mia lives – or grew up at least – on Jackson’s Whole, but I don’t know about the others or how to involve them.
In conclusion: to make the Batfamily looks healthy, put it on Jackson’s Whole.
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Date: 2011-11-25 02:00 pm (UTC)Slade: ex-merc. Or did we say renegade Barrayaran, I can’t remember. ;_;
I think we went with renegade Ghem lord from Cetaganda.
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Date: 2011-11-25 02:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-11-25 06:31 pm (UTC)I would read the HELL out of this. And fanfic it, possibly.
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Date: 2011-11-26 01:25 pm (UTC)Well, I see this as a Shared Fusioniverse, so I would be Totally Okay with you writing in that verse. Just ask etrangere. ;)
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Date: 2011-11-26 10:40 pm (UTC)